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Re^4: Not Safe For Work threads
by Boldra (Curate) on Jan 08, 2010 at 08:47 UTC
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I'm currently in Europe, in a very large software company, and on the whiteboard in front of me is:
my @goatse =()=.
There was more, but it's been there for at least 3 months and the rest has been erased.
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I'd actually be somewhat uncomfortable with the use of "goatse" as a joking reference in sample code, as in that whiteboard anecdote.
Not personally -- in the pub you should expect far fouler than that from me. ;) But since "goatse" refers unambiguously to something sexually explicit, I'd be hesitant to use it in a professional context except in a sort of antiseptic explanatory way: "Well, you should probably know that that's sometimes called the 'goatse operator', which refers to a brutally explicit image on the net."
I'd expect my colleagues, regardless of background, to be adult enough to handle discussing the topic in the abstract. But other usages are dicey. Here in the US, they're also legally hazardous... but I'd go beyond that and say that I believe in the reasons those laws were passed, and that our industry, with its dreadful gender diversity ratio, has a long way to go making our workplace environments welcoming to all.
Avoiding the word "goatse" on workplace whiteboards is very different from avoiding it on some random website you clicked to.
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> I'd actually be somewhat uncomfortable with the use of "goatse" as a joking reference in sample code, as in that whiteboard anecdote.
Actually my problem is that only a minority knows the original meaning of "goatse", old inside jokes are hard to preserve...
A good name must be easy to remember... (also in the sense that it doesn't cause unease)!
Names like Saturn or Propeller or Biplane for =( )= are much better to understand for someone who only safesearches at google.
If someone wants a joking a reference, one may call it NSFW-Operator... ;-)
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"Diversity". "Welcoming to all". Agrrrr. What a ... nonsense. Your "dreadful gender diversity ratio" has got nothing to do whatsoever with the workplace environment dude. Males and females are different! Which doesn't mean there can't be (good) female developers, but it does mean that females IN GENERAL do not TEND TO WANT to be developers. Just like males do not tend to want to go to some other careers. With exceptions of course. You'd have to FORCE females to choose the career if you wanted to have "good" diversity. There's nothing preventing a female from choosing the career and some silly word on some whiteboard will not change that.
All this diversity quota stuff is racism and sexism at its worst.
Jenda
Enoch was right!
Enjoy the last years of Rome.
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Funnily goatse seems to be the prime example of NSFW.
I'm not sure anymore if this lazy going applies to the whole of Europe, and how a manager of a London bank would react .... Maybe not amused? ;-)
IMHO it's also a matter of time and not only space... I remember now getting into some trouble in 1999 when freelancing for a bank in Frankfurt, because my boss found internet comics in my temporary internet files, accusing me to surf for fun at payed work time.
As I found out later (too late) these images originated from outlook emails which where displayed via IE4.
(NT3 standard setting???)
Two (intern!) girls at the neighboring office where sending funny cartoons every day to the whole department compromising my internet files...
Thankfully I never got emails with goatses or oralses ... ;-) ¹
Well nowadays people feeling offended just by the mention of the word "goatse" only, should lead to a new classification:
NSFTSI := Not suitable for the Spanish inquisition
(1) I should add that this boss was widely considered a psycho. IMHO examining the private logs of an employee shouldn't be legal in Germany.
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Funnily goatse seems to be the prime example of NSFW.
I presume you are referring to the image shown for a long time on the goatse website. But no image was posted in the thread being discussed. It was the word being used as a name. I'm sure the manager of said London bank didn't object to their branches in Essex?
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IMHO examining the private logs of an employee shouldn't be legal in Germany.
Yes, but what does that have to you with you? If you were freelancing, you weren't an employee.
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