in reply to Re^7: We should elminate: Anonymous, and DOWN-voting
in thread We should elminate: Anonymous, and DOWN-voting

In real-life democratic voting, there's generally a pool of at least tens of thousands of other voters, and each one only has ONE vote to cast. The damage that any single person can do if he pointlessly or maliciously places his vote is minimal. Here, the pool of voters at any given time is maybe a few dozen, and if someone really hates your guts, he can have a significant impact on your overall rating. I don't think the comparison is terribly valid. In a democratic system, you also have a right to face your accuser.

And you just got caught with your pants down

In real life, you get one vote for each ballot measure, each office ... same as here, one vote per node, fair and democratic

XP isn't life or death, you aren't accused of anything, and when you vote for president/ballots, the ballots don't get to face you.

Turning a one second barometer into a bureaucracy is bat-guano-insane-o

And no, a single voter cannot have a significant impact on your overall rating, see Voting/Experience System

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Re^9: We should elminate: Anonymous, and DOWN-voting
by JavaFan (Canon) on Dec 06, 2011 at 11:30 UTC
    In real life, you get one vote for each ballot measure, each office ... same as here, one vote per node, fair and democratic
    Partially true. You get to have *at most one* vote per node. But I cannot vote on every node - I only get a limited number of votes per day. And some people get more; some people get less. That's not the case in real life (well, at least not for public offices). We've done away with the "number of votes scales with the amount of taxes you pay" quite some time ago.

    I seldomly vote, and don't give a rats ass about XP. I don't care much at all about Perlmonks voting and XP system, just don't try to compare it to "real life". It doesn't compare.

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      We've done away with the "number of votes scales with the amount of taxes you pay" quite some time ago.

      Not quite. Having more votes mean you participate in more elections, your vallots are larger . You still vote for one node at a time.

      I seldomly vote, and don't give a rats ass about XP. I don't care much at all about Perlmonks voting and XP system, just don't try to compare it to "real life". It doesn't compare.

      Sure it does. An analogy is never 100%, but it does compare.

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Re^9: We should elminate: Anonymous, and DOWN-voting
by Anonymous Monk on Dec 04, 2011 at 13:51 UTC
    That depends very much how recently you joined prior to causing someone to have a voting vendetta against you. If you don't have a lot of points and your up against someone who does you've got no chance. Infact a lot of MMO games online have nooby protection for this very reason, if this site is intended to emulate a game then perhaps such a protection would be wise, it might prevent noobies getting quickly into negative figures and then throwing abuse at everyone like you-know-who.
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      That depends very much how recently you joined prior to causing someone to have a voting vendetta against you. If you don't have a lot of points and your up against someone who does you've got no chance.

      No, that is complete and utter nonsense, the math just doesn't add up. See Voting/Experience System

      For practicaly demonstration visit Worst Nodes. Some posters would end up there every day, and most of them still maintained a positive reputation. It takes a special brand of troll to remain in negative digits.

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        Like for instance a troll who won't be told he's wrong when actually he isn't?
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        Where exactly did you study math? Even a relatively low-level monk - let's say level 8 - has over a dozen votes per day. If you make less posts than he has votes, he can downvote every single thing you post, and given that your average post rating even if you post relatively good stuff is often low (mine is slightly over 4, even excluding this thread), he can kill as much as a quarter of your rating just by himself. And he'll get rewarded for doing it. It's just extremely annoying to be on the receiving end and be told the mods know who it is but won't tell you or do anything about it.

        For the same reason, I think anonymous posting should be eliminated. People troll anonymously whenever it's a topic they think will risk their precious rating, then use their account to downvote anyone who disagrees with them.

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Re^9: We should elminate: Anonymous, and DOWN-voting
by TJPride (Pilgrim) on Dec 04, 2011 at 15:36 UTC
    Says the person posting anonymously. If I can't impact your rating, then why aren't you posting on your account? You're voiding your own argument.

    And yes, you do get one vote per office, but I notice that that still means you can't vote against the same person multiple times per day. And it isn't retroactive - you can't go back in time and vote in every previous election he's ever been in either.

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      Says the person posting anonymously. If I can't impact your rating, then why aren't you posting on your account? You're voiding your own argument.

      My account is Anonymous Monk. I don't get to vote, I don't get to chatter, I don't get experience points.

      And yes, you do get one vote per office, but I notice that that still means you can't vote against the same person multiple times per day. And it isn't retroactive - you can't go back in time and vote in every previous election he's ever been in either.

      You vote for nodes not monks, you aren't electing any monk to any office.

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        Every node is tied to a monk, so essentially you're voting for or against that monk. I'm not going to argue this point further, it's a waste of time debating with anyone posting anonymously.
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