Re^11: Patience is a Monk Virtue (EU superstate)

The flaw in your reasoning is that the EU is not a super state.

It very much is. The EU creates laws which its member states must enshrine into their own legislation. That's pretty much the definition of a superstate. It also has its own bank, currency, court, police force, etc.

It's an economic block of independent members who can veto decisions

Only a small subset of the decisions can be vetoed. The rest are binding.

It's not engaged in military operations.

... but the Commission president has other ideas. (Update 18th Dec: he has got his way)

You may argue the pros and cons of the EU as an institution (and there are both) but its status as a superstate is incontrovertable.

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Re^12: Patience is a Monk Virtue (EU superstate) by LanX (Saint) on Nov 15, 2017 at 12:38 UTC
I couldn't find a clear definition for superstate, so I retract. My point is most institutions are bottom up not top down. the EU can't start a war or stop a member starting one ( like UK vs Iraq) the EU can't stop windy city boys causing a global financial crisis Europol can't arrest a London lawyer engaged in tax evasion schemes on British territory like Guernsey the ECB is controlled by a council of representative of national central banks. Contrary to this Washington is able to stop Texas invading Mexico, the FBI can arrest criminal bankers at Wallstreet Dollar is not controlled by a council with representatives of a hypothetical California or Missouri central bank. Finally the number of civil servants working for the EU is comparable to the one of the Birmingham City Council, not more. Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :) Je suis Charlie!}	[reply]
Re^12: Patience is a Monk Virtue (EU cooperation, also in defense) by erix (Prior) on Nov 15, 2017 at 11:44 UTC
its status as a superstate is incontrovertable As long as there is no "european" army it seems nonsensical to talk of a superstate. And I don't think such a European army (that is, an army commanded by the hugely unpopular civil servants in Brussels) is a feasible proposition, at least in the foreseeable future. But by all means, let's work together in Europe, in defense as elsewhere.	[reply]