While this may be a cool use for perl, I question whether this post is appropriate in a community where we are sorely lacking in female members. This may strengthen the view that geeks are ego-driven, testosterone-filled, pasty-faced males that objectify women.

I am not trying to cause an argument, but I would like to hear from our few females members whether they believe this is appropriate. Although this may be appropriate in the perl sense, it may not be in the female-male sense.

Ladies?

J. J. Horner
Linux, Perl, Apache, Stronghold, Unix
jhorner@knoxlug.org http://www.knoxlug.org/

My feeling on it is that so long as perlmonks sticks to the Perl aspects of 100sexiestwomen or 100hunkiestguys or 437fattestgeeks, and doesn't get off on tangents over whether Cindy Crawford is hotter than Antonio Banderas ("mmm, Antonio", says my wife), it shouldn't be scaring away people.

It's when people are judged or evaluated in messages on perlmonks that you'll see people running away. Even if the participants in a forum aren't being judged, the mere presence of judgements about anyone's figure or looks sends the message "beware, we don't care about your brain, we care about your boobs/butt/bald spot".

That's my 2c, anyway.

go gnat!

e-mail neshura

I am not trying to cause an argument, but I would like to hear from our few females members whether they believe this is appropriate. Although this may be appropriate in the perl sense, it may not be in the female-male sense.

I'm not female, but I don't think it strengthens that view at all. I feel very strongly that magazines like FHM and web sites like mine do not demean women in any way whatsoever, and that is certainly not my intention.

I imagine that the post is appropriate, otherwise presumably Vroom wouldn't have allowed it?

Well, it is never about what we feel should be offensive, but what they feel is offensive. Part of living or taking part of a society is being conscious of your fellow members feelings.

Now, I am not attacking you. I'm looking out for our female members. The kind neshura warned us, although playfully, that we should check our egos at the door if we want more females in this profession, and I think she has a point. I know how upset I would be if a female I cared for was offended. Should I be less concerned if someone with whom I am not particularly connected is also offended?

I appreciate your view that this is appropriate. You have every right to feel that way, but they also have every right to feel how they may fee.

Vroom doesn't allow every post, he let's us determine what is appropriate in our community.

If the community feels this is appropriate, so be it. I am not judging, just questioning. Sometimes, we have to think like others to get the full picture.

Thanks for your response and your well-thought arguments. I know that you aren't trying to offend women. I offend sometimes without trying, and I'm sure others do as well.

Have a good one.

J. J. Horner
Linux, Perl, Apache, Stronghold, Unix
jhorner@knoxlug.org http://www.knoxlug.org/

Um, not to be a complete dingus, but I'm a boy-monk, and I've never heard of "FHM." Checked out your site, and I haven't heard of most of these women, either. You kids and your damned new fangled Internet . . .

I thought some of the results in the FHM survey were quite dubious, so it will be interesting to see what results come up on the site.

Well, in a strictly statistical sense (and I'm no statistician, so please take those grains of salt as needed) I don't think that your results can ultimatly be used to comment on FHM's (whoever they are,) seeing as how there is no way to know if you are using comperable data sets (I mean, if I ask 100 bikers if my dog is prettier than your dog, and they vote for my dog, and then I go ask 130 beauticians and 617 Wall Street bankers, and they're all about your dog-- that won't prove that one dog is any prettier than the other (i mean, DOGS, for god's sake!), it just prove that bikers favor Dog A while beauticians and bankers favor Dog B.

Am I making any sense? All this dog talk is getting me sorta-- distracted, if you catch my meaning. Any possibility of you swapping your site over into a "100 most beautiful dogs site"? 'Cause if you do, I wanna put my dog in the running-- he's a real looker.)

But, so-- yeah, whatever.

The Autonomic Pilot; it's FunkyTown, babe.

Pishaw. I think my dog is better looking than your dog.

--Chris

jcwren,
This reply is in reply to the reply you made about your dog. She is quite nice. I have a German Shepherd myself. Hope that you have raised her with pride.
Take care.
curtisb

Furthermore (and I'm not ranting, just clarifying) if I were as homely as that cur of yours, I'd shave my own ass and teach myself to walk backwards.

The Autonomic Pilot; it's FunkyTown, babe.

Not to start a Jihad, or anything-- but you're on the rock, man. Your dog looks like a rug. If my dog were as ugly as your dog, I'd shave his (that is, my dog's) ass and teach him to walk backward.

Also, my dog tap dances, which means he has your mutt beat in both the bathing suit AND talent competitions.

The Autonomic Pilot; it's FunkyTown, babe.

Um, not to be a complete dingus, but I'm a boy-monk, and I've never heard of "FHM." Checked out your site, and I haven't heard of most of these women, either. You kids and your damned new fangled Internet . . .
FHM is 'For Him' magazine. There is an American and UK edition. It is very popular.

Well, in a strictly statistical sense (and I'm no statistician, so please take those grains of salt as needed) I don't think that your results can ultimatly be used to comment on FHM's (whoever they are,) seeing as how there is no way to know if you are using comperable data sets (I mean, if I ask 100 bikers if my dog is prettier than your dog, and they vote for my dog, and then I go ask 130 beauticians and 617 Wall Street bankers, and they're all about your dog-- that won't prove that one dog is any prettier than the other (i mean, DOGS, for god's sake!), it just prove that bikers favor Dog A while beauticians and bankers favor Dog B.
It is just meant to be a bit of fun, not anything really serious. I'm not conducting a scientific experiment.

Any possibility of you swapping your site over into a "100 most beautiful dogs site"?
Well, when I release the code, you're more than welcome to set it up! ::grin::