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that means, that some sections, for example Obfuscation or Poetry were totally inspired by the nature of Perl (Perl 5).

OT, but makes me wonder: will 6 make for better or worse obfu? The absence of a zillion predefined variables is a counter argument. But the modifiable grammar makes me dream of whole new scenarios that I... well, cannot even dream of!!

Now, in some postings they say that Perl 6 is another kind of language, a language which we actually still dont know much.

Nope, it's another language of of the same kind as Perl 5. In a sense, it aims at bringing the qualities of the latter to new heights.

On the contrary a simple Perl 6 section would be actually good to catalyze a bit the whole Perl 6 interest.

Perl 6 is so important that a section about this topic is simply natural.

The fact is that currently the general consensus has always been contrary to your assumption. And as you said some people already have asked the same thing. The fine point is that general consensus is made by people and, with people, it changes over time. So just stay tuned. In the meantime, it seems that PM is not just the best place to discuss Perl 6 related stuff... although occasionally it happens, and TimToady often takes part to the discussions. By contrast, in clpmisc, which is my other favourite Perl resource, Perl 6 discussions tend to arise even more sparsely: in fact there the focus is strongly on how to do things in Perl, not "about Perl". (Just think about it much like a SoPW-like thingie only, but with a grain of salt of course.) OTOH there are the p6* MLs, various blogs, e.g. audreyt'ss and other places much better suited if not strictly dedicated to Perl 6 stuff. I also know that summaries and interesting articles about development and what not get posted regularly to use Perl; so reports may be similarly posted here, but all in all evidence is that we don't see, as a community, a compelling necessity to do so...

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Re^4: Proposal for a Perl 6 section?
by jdporter (Paladin) on Jun 20, 2007 at 19:06 UTC
    In the meantime, it seems that PM is not just the best place to discuss Perl 6 related stuff...

    Depending on what you mean by "discuss", I disagree, strongly. PerlMonks is the place to talk about anything Perl. (OTOH, if by "discuss" you mean work out the actual design or implementation of Perl 6, then, no; but we don't do that for Perl 5 here either.)

    Put another way: if AJAX, PDL, SQL, OS quirks, network protocols, file formats, and the general business of making software aren't too far off topic for this site, then surely the next generation of Perl itself shouldn't be.

    A word spoken in Mind will reach its own level, in the objective world, by its own weight
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      Depending on what you mean by "discuss", I disagree, strongly. PerlMonks is the place to talk about anything Perl. (OTOH, if by "discuss" you mean work out the actual design or implementation of Perl 6, then, no; but we don't do that for Perl 5 here either.)

      Yes, of course: take my claim cum grano salis. The point is that there are many Perl resources, and there are other places I, and others, prefer to discuss specific topics even if there are overlappings and some of them would be appropriate for several of such places. I have been posting myself questions and comments here that would be better fit for p6l, only that I can't be there any more. I could push your point even further, to the point that occasionally we do discuss the design and implementation of Perl 5, in which case hopefully some bystanding p5p'er will either answer "patches welcome", or explain why it's a bad idea... ;-)

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Re^4: Proposal for a Perl 6 section?
by Errto (Vicar) on Jun 20, 2007 at 22:02 UTC
    OT, but makes me wonder: will 6 make for better or worse obfu? The absence of a zillion predefined variables is a counter argument. But the modifiable grammar makes me dream of whole new scenarios that I... well, cannot even dream of!!
    I'll bet the answer is "better". I mean circumfix operators, for heaven's sake. All sorts of bizarre regex things. That really funky roles/methods/properties access syntax. The main downside is that it might not be possible to do things like have working programs consisting entirely of lowercase words.
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      That really funky roles/methods/properties access syntax.

      Just as funky as a $|++? ;-)

      I'll bet the answer is that the first few characters may exhibit some resistance to obfuscation, just to slide into complete utter unreadability if only good will be!

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