I personally believe that it would be extremely cool but for the little detail that you would have to trade them for... other votes, which is the only kind of "currency" that I know of, here at the Monastery! Or else I may ask for a ready made ultra-whiz-bang GUI à la zentara! (On a slightly less urgent basis, I also want a pony!)

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Other votes the only kind of "currency"? Not at all ;)

I'll trade you 10 votes for 10 xp points. Just ++ 10 of my posts and I'll cast my left over votes on any 10 nodes you desire, unless you want to use them to down vote me that is :)

One thing that would make it more interesting for me would be the ability to pile multiple votes on one post. Obviously, there's a big range of value in posts deserving a vote.

One thing that would make it more interesting for me would be the ability to pile multiple votes on one post.

I personally believe that you may be surprised to discover that it has been suggested several times: I am in full support of the idea. But it has never been accepted by the powers that be. General consensus seems to be that this possibility should come at some expense, e.g. spending 3 votes to cast to. As far as I'm concerned, I would make the scheme "unlimited" perhaps with n(n+1)/2 votes spent to cast n. If that were allowed, and if the leftover suggestion were as well, I may give up to 11 points to a single node, and still have 10 left: not bad!

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I think if you're looking at a fair way to allow multiple votes on one node without encouraging piling on at the expense of other deserving nodes, then n² might be more appropriate.

It seems to me that the relative scarcity of votes makes them (relatively) worthwhile, and the personal nature of votes makes them (potentially) meaningful.

I fully agree. Which is the reason why I can't understand whether you're in support of the idea or not. The "personal" remark would suggest me that the answer is negative, but I'm not really sure. Anyway, donating them wouldn't make them less personal because one supposedly would do so to someone whome he respects and considers valuable enough a person to somewhat "vote in his/her own place." Perhaps the act of donation should come at some expense. But since it would be altruistic in nature, I would rather reward it. Perhaps with increasing the inner parameter that takes care of downvotes, as if one had used those votes to cast positive ones, but without touching one's XP...

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If you couldn't use all yesterday's votes what makes you think you can use all today's votes plus yesterday's left leftovers?

I suppose though that you could make a hash of yesterday's leftovers and have them for breakfast.

...what makes you think you can use all today's votes plus yesterday's left leftovers?

He's an Optimist.

"Surely tomorrow's nodes will be much better then the drivel that was posted today!"

If you couldn't use all yesterday's votes what makes you think you can use all today's votes plus yesterday's left leftovers?

I personally believe that there are tons of reasons why I could: despite hossman's remark, I'm far from being optimist. But... just to make an example, I may have had some extra work yesterday, that I had to terminate urgently. Well, that's not my case, since I don't actually work. But then a realistic example in this sense may be to have suffered from an aggravation of symptoms for my condition. YMMV. Or does your workload/spare time availability happen to be exactly the same every single day?

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I recently wanted to go through the long nostalgic thread My first computer was... and vote on lots of nodes there. I had to stop after I used up all my 32 votes. I still have the node I stopped at recorded, but it's hard to find time to do such a long thread, even if it has lots of interesting writeups. For this reason, carrying on votes might be a good idea.

Carry with addition has problems:

1. It encourages laziness in voting. I takes a bit of time and effort to vote on a node, and knowing that your votes will carry over, is one more impetus to be lazy, and vote tommorrow. Which of course, gets delayed again tommorrow.

2. What happens when the carryover total starts reaching huge numbers, for the laziest of monks. When you login you will see "You have 12,334 votes left today. :-) It would tend to make voting seem more worthless, by inflating the votes available. Sort of XP inflation. It would also screw up the vote allowance heirarchy set by monk level. "You mean that that lowly friar has more votes to give than me today?....outrageous!"

3. In order to encourage monks to use all their daily votes, maybe you should DEDUCT unused votes from the monk's next day available votes. Use em or lose em.

I think the original suggestion is only a one-day carryover, so massive numbers of votes shouldn't be an issue.

Re subtracting unused votes: I think voting is encouraged enough at PM. Rewarding voting for voting's sake (or punishing non-voting) can lead to un- or ill-considered voting.

The current reward for the 1st five levels seems appropriate to get new people involved. The random XP for voting after that is probably not enough to cause undue influence.


sas

What happens when the carryover total starts reaching huge numbers

I'll quote the only part of the original proposal that was rendered in bold typeface:

just for one day

- tye        

Oops,Sorry.....I'm a natural "spin doctor", always blowing things out of proportion to suit my position....it's the American way! :-)

But if the topic is to be taken seriously, why limit the carryover to one day? Maybe the carryover should be 2 days over weekends, etc. Or maybe go from login to login; I'm sure there are many monks who login once a week, and look at nodes for the past 5 days.

But I now launch my campaign to subtract carryovers......this encourages logging in and voting( although may encourage frivilous voting).

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It encourages laziness in voting. I takes a bit of time and effort to vote on a node, and knowing that your votes will carry over, is one more impetus to be lazy, and vote tommorrow. Which of course, gets delayed again tommorrow.

(additional emphasis by me!)

Indeed! But some days you just don't manage to do it. That's why I proposed this suggestion as a tiny workaround for such unfortunate inconveniences. As for the other problem, it has already been told you that I would limit the carryover to one day, that is, to the double of the available votes for one's level. Of course you may want two, instead, or three, but a limit should be imposed anyway, and as far as I'm concerned one day is by far more than enough.

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I am in support of the idea.

Hmmmm.... this would be a similar idea to how collecting miles works with airplane companies. You collect the miles, but if you don't spend them until a certain deadline, they become invalid.

I think most of us agrees that this would a feature which we don't need, but some of us *could* use occasionally; for instance in the rare cases where I have spent my share of daily votes, and then suddenly discover a node I really like a lot, and which I would honour for this (for instance if someone took the time to answer my question in SoPW). In this case, I really would be ashamed not giving a + vote as reward; but - BUT (very big BUT): Every node has an ID, and if I like a node so much that I don't want to leave it unvoted, nothing keeps me from bookmarking the node and cast my vote the next day. Admittedly, this is a bit inconvenient, but if I value a node high, I will accept this invonvenience, and after all, this doesn't happen so often.

So I would prefer sticking with the current scheme.

Interesting idea, ++ for the suggestion. Someone suggested carrying over half of the votes, so may I complicate things by saying either half of the votes to a maximum of a quarter of your daily allotment, or just plain one quarter of the votes?

Letting the votes pile up deflates their value, so having them carryover for just one day is, I think, the way to go.

However, donating excess votes to someone else on PM isn't useful behaviour, IMHO. I suspect it would lead to an increase in 'gaming' the system, and leans the system away from a meritocracy.

How about your vote allotment has a half-life of one day. That is, half your unused votes roll-over each day. I think this would approach 2 × your allotment in a steady-state of not voting. Or... each unused vote has a 50% chance of living past midnight.

I've been resisting the urge to throw this idea in, but I think the more complicated the formula, the better chance of acceptance at PM.


sas

Interesting idea, ++ for the suggestion. Someone suggested carrying over half of the votes, so may I complicate things by saying either half of the votes to a maximum of a quarter of your daily allotment, or just plain one quarter of the votes?

(additional emphasis by me!)

Ehm, what about the nearest integer approximation of the (inverse) golden ratio of the votes? Just because I'm too fond of that number!

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• I <3 PerlMonks
• Anonymous Monk considered ho-hum
• Are there any better folks in the world than Larry, Randal, Audrey, Allison, and Damian?
• How Perl has made me a better person
• I'll f*** you for $20, or €13 -- I have a sweet Perl app to do my billing and I18n!

The last one I admit is not experience whoring in your intended sense.

I personally believe that this is a great post! I fully support ++ for Your Mother! Inspired by Your Mother's list, I am going to start work right away on an OMG Ponies! script.

I nominate blazar for xp whore of the year 2008

It's more like blazar suddenly has a lot of time on his hands due to a medical condition and has chosen to spend a large chunk of that time hanging out in one of his favorite online communities.

Elda Taluta; Sarks Sark; Ark Arks

For such a little thing, usual anonycoward?!? Oh, c'mon: just seeing my posting history for 2008 will disprove your claim. (I could do much better, trust me!) Sorry for trying to improve the Monastery experience the only way I can: with an idea...

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Nope, no coward here, just Anonymous Monk. And nope, it won't disprove my claim (basic premise of an XP whore is to 1) get more XP 2) get more votes).

Sorry for trying to improve the Monastery experience the only way I can: with an idea...
Sorry for nominating you, maybe if you were at least a weekend warrior ... :p

I'm piling on this discussion a couple weeks too late, but..

$couple++;

As one with not-many votes I am in favour.

because...

What time zone does the Vote Fairy work in?? There have been a few nights now where I have settled in to a bit of monastic wondering before bed time and suddenly I have no votes left! Here I am at 23:09 British (supposedly) Summer Time and suddenly my (0++)(0--) is gone!?

premature update: oh... just looked and saw Vote fairy runs away to be with the Tooth Fairy:

The vote fairy is a cron job that runs at approximately 2:15AM EST every day.

... which is I suppose 21:15 UK(?) But I'm sure I was still vote-worthy at that time...

Midnight is my most productive time! Why am I suddenly voiceless?

(Won't be able to reply now, have to leave "that computer" and retire... ;-)

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The vote fairy is a cron job that runs at approximately 2:15AM EST every day.

Is that outdated? I could have sworn (which I will not while in the Monastery, mind you) that it was 12:25AM EST. At least that is what I have noticed :\

I'm so adjective, I verb nouns!

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But I wouldn't mind a scheme where I could change votes for hard currency. (No dollars, but British pounds or Euros would be nice). Being able to chance them into gold or diamonds would be nice too.

I only have a few votes each day, and I usually don't spend any of them. Getting double the number of votes the next day wouldn't be very useful to me.

I personally believe that it wouldn't be annoying either: you would have the double number of votes and you still wouldn't spend any of them.

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